AGE OF RECKONING - It NEEDS to be redone - Total War: Warhammer (2025)

Lol, bit of an overreaction.

Solution seems pretty easy for CA to fix, Just make it so the total % of grudges calculated can only be from...

1. Factions the dwarfs are at war with.
2. Factions that are touching your provinces borders.
3. Factions that are touching your military/defensive allies provinces borders.

The Confed could use some data base tweaking, but the last thing I want them to do is nerf it in to they ground so you can easily get the final level of the age of reckoning every time and confed every faction by the mid game.

NickCageStoleMyFace#5594 wrote:

Lol, bit of an overreaction.

Solution seems pretty easy for CA to fix, Just make it so the total % of grudges calculated can only be from...

1. Factions the dwarfs are at war with.
2. Factions that are touching your provinces borders.
3. Factions that are touching your military/defensive allies provinces borders.

The Confed could use some data base tweaking, but the last thing I want them to do is nerf it in to they ground so you can easily get the final level of the age of reckoning every time and confed every faction by the mid game.

Gurdges being reworked in such a way will just give permanent AoR bonuses, free armies, free units, massive growth and PO.

The system is fine. This is an overeaction.

CA can tweak some numbers to make it easier for the players to get the max result, but that will trivialise the mechanic.

Also CA should increase the number of grudges Chaos and Tomb Kings give as well!

Original_Akisumikami#3402 wrote:

Personally I think the Age of Reckoning concerns are overreactions. There will be a tweak of the numbers according to Mercy. It is a mechanic you are not forced to take part in and your punishment for failing the mechanic is... -3 PO (which is pretty much irrelevant in WH3), -25 Growth (after an update where Dwarfs get their growth buffed and a bunch of units moved down a tier) and +100% upkeep for Grudge Settlers (which does not bother you if you don't use them). This is not taking into account the fact that Battlesey put out a video loudly screaming about its problems only to gleefully make a stream about how broken and easy to abuse the mechanic is a day later.

At this point I am more convinced that people just don't like look at red text and the idea of negative modifiers than actually wanting to fix this mechanic. And the mechanic will be adjusted in time to cater to these players, so there should be no concern at all that this is the final iteration. What I do wish for is more ways to resolve grudges, like through diplomacy, or to make it be targeted like a Waagh in the direction of an occupied Karak or something.

It is a timed mechanic whether you add the bonuses and or not, if you could choose when to start as a waagh it might be tolerable. Also only the High King should have access to it whilst other dwarves already have their own mechanic.

dogoska#1535 wrote:

It is a timed mechanic whether you add the bonuses and or not, if you could choose when to start as a waagh it might be tolerable. Also only the High King should have access to it whilst other dwarves already have their own mechanic.

It absolutely makes sense for only Thorgrim to have it, yes. Ungrim should probably have something revolving around the Slayer Shrine, he is the Slayer King after all. CA should continue their process of touching up the two basegame lords per faction to make them stand out more.

Original_Akisumikami#3402 wrote:

dogoska#1535 wrote:

It is a timed mechanic whether you add the bonuses and or not, if you could choose when to start as a waagh it might be tolerable. Also only the High King should have access to it whilst other dwarves already have their own mechanic.

It absolutely makes sense for only Thorgrim to have it, yes. Ungrim should probably have something revolving around the Slayer Shrine, he is the Slayer King after all. CA should continue their process of touching up the two basegame lords per faction to make them stand out more.

Yes, I think that is the issue all dwarves will play the same with AoC if it is kept to the High King as crusading type mechanic it is both loreful and give him flavour. Ungrim needs something specially now that slayer cults are pointless.

On the other hand other dwarves should either have the old grudge bar reworked with the new grudge units this way they can control their grudges more easily (no more raid that faction or take the settlement of your ally).

Tucanonerd#5946 wrote:

I was excited for the DLC, and honestly counting the hours to buy the Malakai Expansion. But I am literally not buying it anymore because the Age of Reckoning mechanic is RUINING the Dwarfs. I cannot believe CA has moved forward with such an INSANELY negative mechanic to be the main rework the Dwarfs are getting. We have waited for almost 1 decade for the Race to be properly reworked and they are making it EVEN WORSE then it was before, by turning Dwarfs into a more agression prone Race then Khorne or Greenskins with ridiculous rewards and a compeltely broken Grudge reward system. The goal for the Age of Reckoning mechanic is INSANELY broken, and ridiculous. I cannot believe CA has fucked up this bad on a DLC that seems to be entirely amazing in general.

PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD CA, take this thing back and give us a mechanic the dwarfs deserve, or at least FIX THIS ONE. I can't believe I have waited for 8 years for the Race to become WORSE then it was. Just change the UI for the wood elf World Root system, or the Lizardmen Silent Sanctum for Karaks (province capital), and ship that instead. Just please don't leave this thing in the game as it is, cause I can't believe I will have to STOP PLAYING THE GAME because of an update literally breaking the only race I enjoy playing.

For reference go watch the video by Battlesey just for SOME of the issues with the mechanic.

Problems with Age of Reckoning

What we don't need is yet another thread about this. The mechanic is fine.

Theo91#7431 wrote:

Age or reckoning NEEDS reworking... hours actually playing the mechanic... ZERO

Tucanonerd#5946 wrote:

I was excited for the DLC, and honestly counting the hours to buy the Malakai Expansion. But I am literally not buying it anymore because the Age of Reckoning mechanic is RUINING the Dwarfs. I cannot believe CA has moved forward with such an INSANELY negative mechanic to be the main rework the Dwarfs are getting. We have waited for almost 1 decade for the Race to be properly reworked and they are making it EVEN WORSE then it was before, by turning Dwarfs into a more agression prone Race then Khorne or Greenskins with ridiculous rewards and a compeltely broken Grudge reward system. The goal for the Age of Reckoning mechanic is INSANELY broken, and ridiculous. I cannot believe CA has fucked up this bad on a DLC that seems to be entirely amazing in general.

PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD CA, take this thing back and give us a mechanic the dwarfs deserve, or at least FIX THIS ONE. I can't believe I have waited for 8 years for the Race to become WORSE then it was. Just change the UI for the wood elf World Root system, or the Lizardmen Silent Sanctum for Karaks (province capital), and ship that instead. Just please don't leave this thing in the game as it is, cause I can't believe I will have to STOP PLAYING THE GAME because of an update literally breaking the only race I enjoy playing.

For reference go watch the video by Battlesey just for SOME of the issues with the mechanic.

Problems with Age of Reckoning

It's not an aggressive mechanic. It's a reactive mechanic. You are settling scores. It's not like you are sacking stuff at random. Which you will have to do in order to meet victory conditions in most cases.

lauera9482#8602 wrote:
It's not an aggressive mechanic. It's a reactive mechanic. You are settling scores. It's not like you are sacking stuff at random. Which you will have to do in order to meet victory conditions in most cases.

Seems like you haven’t actually looked at gameplay footage then, because it is indeed an aggressive mechanic that rewards you for being aggressive.

lauera9482#8602 wrote:

Tucanonerd#5946 wrote:

I was excited for the DLC, and honestly counting the hours to buy the Malakai Expansion. But I am literally not buying it anymore because the Age of Reckoning mechanic is RUINING the Dwarfs. I cannot believe CA has moved forward with such an INSANELY negative mechanic to be the main rework the Dwarfs are getting. We have waited for almost 1 decade for the Race to be properly reworked and they are making it EVEN WORSE then it was before, by turning Dwarfs into a more agression prone Race then Khorne or Greenskins with ridiculous rewards and a compeltely broken Grudge reward system. The goal for the Age of Reckoning mechanic is INSANELY broken, and ridiculous. I cannot believe CA has fucked up this bad on a DLC that seems to be entirely amazing in general.

PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD CA, take this thing back and give us a mechanic the dwarfs deserve, or at least FIX THIS ONE. I can't believe I have waited for 8 years for the Race to become WORSE then it was. Just change the UI for the wood elf World Root system, or the Lizardmen Silent Sanctum for Karaks (province capital), and ship that instead. Just please don't leave this thing in the game as it is, cause I can't believe I will have to STOP PLAYING THE GAME because of an update literally breaking the only race I enjoy playing.

For reference go watch the video by Battlesey just for SOME of the issues with the mechanic.

Problems with Age of Reckoning

It's not an aggressive mechanic. It's a reactive mechanic. You are settling scores. It's not like you are sacking stuff at random. Which you will have to do in order to meet victory conditions in most cases.

It is not reactive because you`ll always seek the biggest grudge and you start off with a timer.